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jbm32206
12-27-2007, 05:51 AM
I agree with Burney and Hazouri, in that any money spent by the school system, should benefit all students. Otherwise, it should be a private school, with no financial assistance from the DCSB.
By Mary Kelli Palka, The Times-Union

Peyton likes concept, but local support wavers for Knowledge is Power entry. Jacksonville won't be home to a Knowledge is Power Program charter school next year, as some Duval County school officials had originally hoped. But Mayor John Peyton, along with some school and community leaders, are setting their sights on 2010 to open the first local KIPP school, with up to four more opening in later years.

The nationally recognized schools, located throughout the country, are geared toward helping mostly lower-income students improve their academics and get a head start on college. Those students spend longer hours and weeks in the classroom (including some Saturdays), while teachers are paid more and work longer hours than their counterparts in traditional public schools.

The schools are run by a local board, using a mix of private and public dollars. But details vary by city. Students are selected by lottery and attend free. In order for KIPP officials to locate in Jacksonville, they'll have to be convinced that the community is behind the concept.

Though Peyton and many community leaders have thrown their support behind it, the Duval County School Board hasn't taken a public position yet. School Board Chairwoman Betty Burney said she doesn't know if she'll support local KIPP schools. But she is a fan of the concept. She's studied the charter school system and plans to visit one in a few weeks. But she said she also knows that the school district can offer similar opportunities in traditional public schools, because she said that was her experience when she attended Raines High School in the 1970s.

Burney and board member Tommy Hazouri said the district's resources should benefit every student. If KIPP comes to Jacksonville, the School Board would likely have to contribute money or resources, including a school building and transportation for students. Also, the School Board is challenging the state's decision to take away local control of charter schools and vest that authority in a state commission. The state has supported the school district's efforts to get a KIPP school.

Peyton visited a KIPP school in Atlanta a few weeks ago and sees it as one example of how the community can lower dropout rates and keep students off the streets. He's asked a group of community leaders who are participating in his new anti-crime initiative to work with the school district to bring a KIPP school here.

Peyton said he wants to find ways to use the best aspects of the KIPP schools to help the rest of the county's students. "It's a pocket of success and good starting point, but how do you scale it," Peyton said. What impressed Peyton most on his visit to the Atlanta school was the dedication of the staff, including the principal. Peyton said the principal was on call 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. "It's almost like mission work," he said.

KIPP will put out requests for proposals in the spring for cities interested in opening a local branch, said Steve Mancini, KIPP's public affairs director. He said a location could be selected late in 2008. From there, it takes more than a year to get a new school off the ground, including one year of training for the principal, Mancini said.
http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/122707/met_229314780.shtml

Skot David Wilson
12-27-2007, 09:47 AM
I agree, too. Right now you can still see that for the most part the best services go to the schools in the richest sides of town, despite claims to the contrary. Same with parks and streets and just about everything else in town.
I think we need to elect some common people to boards and council seats.
Look at the developer money and their financial reports and you can see how this town is in the pocket of the rich. There is nothing wrong with being rich. I was at one point. What matters is the realization that using wealth and services to favor one or hurt the other doesn't fly, and when it does it hurts everyone.
DCPS hates charters and works to eliminate them. They would do the same to the God camps if they could, but that's part of their political base... so now we have bright kids buying into Creation and dismissing the truth of evolution, and thinking they are "chosen" and better than everyone else. I'm not against morality, but I am against the area where faith and fiction are favored over truth and fairness.
The point was made on another thread that our schools need to become more strict, and resources placed into parent accountability.
This is the path we should be taking. Parents should be held accountable for their kids more, and kids not allowed to bully or be puched through the system coming out stupid.
A graduation rate of 60.5%?????
Is that healthy?
Will that attract new business here, or allow America to compete in the world in the future?

Let's call it what it is... a failure of a bureaucratic machine.
Untie the hands of teachers, and make kids tow the line, making parents fully responsible for the actions of their kids.
Stop having teachers teach to the lowest common denominator, and if a child is failing have regional remedial schools with a military approach. If they don't comply, have extended day schools where they have to attend from 9 am in regualr schools until 8 pm at extended schools, and if they are not attending they drag the parents into court.
I'll bet some failing bully who skips and disrupts class gets their act together if the parents have to go to court over them, and they have to attend school for 10 or 11 hours until they are passing, and if they don't their parents go back to court....
Either something like that, or a program in each school where kids who are problems are placed in a special section and must wear uniforms and are have one teacher who keeps them in one class all day, where talking and disruption becomes a school disruption charge and the parents have to go to court to account for the actions of their kids....
I saw how kids act at Stillwell, and it disgusts me.
Could you see a drill instructor teacher....
"I told you to sit down and do your work now! You will comply or you will be escorted to the detention officer who will contact your parents to answer to the charge of class disruption and theft of educational resources!"
Make it a crime to steal the time teachers have to spend dealing with bad kids.....
Snap them into line....
It would be costly at first, maybe for two years, then it would be needed less and less because parents would not allow their kids to act badly because it messes with them.
Make the results of bad actions into bad results for the parents and kids, then it will stop being a problem!
Like at lunch... do not permit loud talk... period. Do not allow running, period. Make it strict, and kids who break the rules go to a detention room where they just sit, and have to sit still until the end of the day without talking. Three infractions means a suspension where the parents have to come to school to get them back in, and if they do not then the parents are arrested for failure to provide an education to their kids...
The idea needs to be refined, but that is somewhat how things used to be. If you were bad, schools called parents who dealt with it themselves. If parents have become so bad that they raise kids who are bad, then hold them accountable, and I'll bet things go better.

Skot David Wilson
12-27-2007, 09:50 AM
Oh, let's get the corporate sector into the system as well to sponsor classes in fields they have an interest in... like computers to teach CRS work and IT, and welding by the shipyards, and other vocational classes to train their furute workforce....