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jbm32206
03-21-2008, 08:49 PM
China is considering not allowing live coverage of the games....
BEIJING - China might bar live television broadcasts from Tiananmen Square during the Beijing Olympics, apparently unnerved by the recent outburst of unrest among Tibetans and fearful of protests in the heart of the Chinese capital.

A ban on live broadcasts would wreck the plans of NBC and other major international networks, who have paid hundreds of millions of dollars to broadcast the Aug. 8-24 games and are counting on eye-pleasing live shots from the iconic square.

The International Campaign for Tibet, a leading non-profit Tibet advocacy group is calling on President Bush to not attend opening ceremonies of the Beijing Games. The group also wants U.S. lawmakers to insist that China not run the Olympic torch relay through the territory of Tibet, which they warn could lead to more “unrest, arrests and repression.”

The rethinking of Beijing's earlier promise to broadcasters comes as the government has poured troops into Tibetan areas wracked by anti-government protests this month and stepped up security in cities, airports and entertainment venues far from the unrest.

In another sign of the government's unease, 400 American Boy Scouts who had been promised they could walk onto the field following a March 15 exhibition game between the Los Angeles Dodgers and San Diego Padres were prevented from doing so by police. "It was never specifically mentioned to me it was because of Tibet that there were extra controls, but there were all these changes at the last minute,'' said a person involved in the Major League Baseball event who asked for anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

The communist government's resorting to heavy-handed measures runs the risk of undermining Beijing's pledge to the International Olympic Committee that the games would promote greater openness in what a generation ago was still an isolated China. If still in place by the games, they could alienate the half-million foreigners expected at the games.

Like the Olympics, live broadcasts from Tiananmen Square were meant to showcase a friendly, confident China — one that had put behind it the deadly 1989 military assault on democracy demonstrators in the vast plaza that remains a defining image for many foreigners.

"Tiananmen is the face of China, the face of Beijing so many broadcasters would like to do live or recorded coverage of the square,'' said Yosuke Fujiwara, the head of broadcast relations for the Beijing Olympic Broadcasting Co., or BOB, a joint-venture between Beijing Olympic organizers and an IOC subsidiary. BOB coordinates and provides technical services for the TV networks with rights to broadcast the Olympics, such as NBC.

Earlier this week, however, officials with the Beijing Olympics Organizing Committee, or BOCOG, told executives at BOB that the live shots were canceled, according to three people familiar with the matter who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media.
"We learned that standup positions would be canceled,'' one of these people said. "No explanation was given for the change.''

Sun Weijia, the BOCOG official in charge of dealing with BOB, declined comment, referring the matter to press officers, three of whom also declined to comment. IOC offices were closed Friday for the Easter holiday; two spokeswomen did not immediately return e-mails and phone calls seeking comment.

The decision by BOCOG may not be final. The change was relayed verbally, one person said. All three hoped that IOC President Jacques Rogge and other leading IOC officials, expected in Beijing next month for regularly scheduled meetings, may be able to prevail on BOCOG to change its mind.

If the decision stands, it would be a blow to the TV networks whose money to buy the right to broadcast the games accounts for more than half the IOC's revenues. The biggest spender is NBC. It paid $2.3 billion for the rights for three Olympics from 2004 to 2008 - Athens, Turin and Beijing. Officials at NBC refused to comment. The unrest — which broke out March 10 in the Tibetan capital of Lhasa and has since spread across western China - and the government's harsh response underscores the communist leaders' unease as the Olympics approach.

With paramilitary police patrolling Beijing at night and journalists being expelled from Tibetan areas, security measures are on par with those not seen since the government mobilized police to crush the Falun Gong spiritual movement in 1999-2000. Activist groups have said for months that they planned to use the Olympics to promote their causes. But the challenge faced by China's leadership seems to grow more imminent.

Aside from Tibet protests, the government said it foiled a plot this month by Muslim separatists in western China to blow up a China Southern Boeing 757. Foreign activists angry about China's support for Sudan, which is party to a civil war in Darfur, said this week they would demonstrate in Beijing during the games.

After the Icelandic singer Bjork shouted "Tibet!'' at the finale of a Shanghai concert this month, officials ordered tighter scrutiny of all performances. The Boy Scouts seemed to get caught in a response to both the sometimes violent Tibet protests and Bjork; police canceled all on-field entertainment for the exhibition baseball games, including the singing of the Chinese and U.S. national anthems.

BOCOG officials began signaling their discomfort with live broadcasts in Tiananmen Square to the IOC a year ago but discussions went back and forth, according to the people involved. The square — overlooked by a large portrait of communist founder Mao Zedong — has been a magnet for protests for decades.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23747606/

Diane Melendez
03-21-2008, 10:13 PM
Looks like the glittery surface that China has been so carefully promoting was nothing more than a cheap paint job. Can you imagine not broadcasting the games live. They may end up hosting the most miserable games in recent history. I wonder how many countries will boycott if they keep this up?

Charles Hunter
03-21-2008, 10:49 PM
From the reproduced article above, it sounds like they are only banning live broadcasts from Tiananmen Square - not the Games themselves, so far. But medal winners have been known to make protests during the award ceremony (witness Tommy Smith and John Carlos (http://www.infoplease.com/spot/summer-olympics-mexico-city.html), 1968 Mexico City), so the Chinese may ban all live broadcasts.

Diane Melendez
03-21-2008, 10:55 PM
The communist attitude is very, very scary.

On another note, did you guys see the piece about the toilets the Chinese want to install for the visitors to the Olympics? They are putting in those squatting jobs. I can just see American women reacting to those. Apparently the Chinese have been told to add a sufficient amount of the "throne" variety.

Charles Hunter
03-21-2008, 11:04 PM
But wouldn't the squatting type facilitate the "hover" maneuver (or is that womaneuver?) that I hear is popular amongst women?

Diane Melendez
03-21-2008, 11:18 PM
The womaneuver is always good. The full squat....always bad....very bad.....especially in stiletto heels.

foolsgold
03-22-2008, 04:46 PM
these style toilets are typical in china. So why would they change. In some apartments they actually convert into showers. You just cover the hole with a board. Can't do that with the "throne" ;-)

jbm32206
03-22-2008, 04:49 PM
So their toilets turn into a shower? Geez...that puts a whole new spin on peeing while in the shower. Think I'll stick with the throne option....

Claude91098
03-22-2008, 07:28 PM
A couple of observations:
As long as any nation conducts itself as WE find acceptable, then it's just peachy!
If a nation, China for instance, exercises it's right to govern THEIR country as THEY see fit, then we're all up in arms about it. How would WE like it if THEY told US how to run OUR country?
Iraq was much the same case. Add a little sprinkle of WMD's and their actual USE, and BANG! We take em out!
Hummm...I'll wager China has much more than Iraq ever did, including nuclear!


Ok...the toilet thingy: The Chinese have had community toilets for centuries. They have basically a hole in the floor with a woven grass mat around it. You poop and pee into the same hole, men and women side by side and there are NO privacy barriers. Oh, and little or NO toilet paper either!!!
Why should they "Westernize" their toilets? Everyone on this forum is always touting the great experiences they've had in "other countries", food, lifestyle etc. Why then, are the toilets an issue!

It's not a trip to the toilet folks...IT'S AN ADVENTURE!!! (LOL)

rpschutt
03-22-2008, 07:50 PM
I understand what you are saying to a degree, Claude. That being said, China is a communist country that does not recognize free speech and, in fact, jails those who try to exercise it. I find that simply impossible to excuse.

jbm32206
03-22-2008, 07:55 PM
Claude, it's not that I'm upset that their government wants to maintain order, and I have no desire for them to become as we are....what does upset me, is when people are treated unfairly by their government. That's what the issue is. As for Iraq, the initial concern...and this is before the war...was the genocide that was happening. And that, nor the WMD were the reasons as to what got us into the war.

Now as for the toilet issue...if your country's expecting to host the Olympic games, which will bring many, many paying tourists to your country, then the least they can do is have more private accommodations for those people. It's not trying to change their way of life, it's a matter of courtesy.

foolsgold
03-22-2008, 08:12 PM
And what are the odds that the chinese govt. is behind this story:
https://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=4177 . Modern full scale information and media warfare at its best!

jbm32206
03-22-2008, 08:15 PM
If it looks like a...and sounds like a...then it must be a....

I'd say you're right on the money with that!

foolsgold
03-23-2008, 11:02 AM
now how funny is that. this web site ("Internet Storm Center") is run by a guy out of JAX. haha. Go figure how good'ole Jacksonville fits into all of that.
http://www.gcn.com/print/24_21/36492-1.html . Or maybe it just shows how boredom on a perfectly fine Sunday morning can turn into some interesting web browsing! Anyway, happy easter y'all! I should go out and do *something* with this day. Don't get stuck in front of the PC all day.

jbm32206
03-23-2008, 11:37 AM
Johannes is a friend of mine, and lives here in Springfield. He's a really nice guy that is such a geek when it comes to computers and all that stuff. I'm in awe of his knowledge!

Claude91098
03-23-2008, 08:19 PM
I understand what you are saying to a degree, Claude. That being said, China is a communist country that does not recognize free speech and, in fact, jails those who try to exercise it. I find that simply impossible to excuse.

Oh...WE may ALL find that "impossible to excuse", but China is a LARGE nation and they have NUKES! We are never going to try and accomplish "regime change" there as we have in other countries...Iraq just being the most recent.

I don't like what the Chinese do either. But they have more people, more guns and nukes....Sooooo...we'll do business with them and turn a blind eye to their ways. If the economy keeps going the way it is, WE may be taken over by THEM sooner than one thinks!!! And you thought Spanish was hard to learn!!! (LOL)

Diane Melendez
03-23-2008, 08:38 PM
I think the U.S. must take a firm stand about what is happening to Tibet. Let the Chinese know that we don't cotton to innocent, spiritual and peaceful people being slaughtered. I for one will be writing many an email insisting that something firm is done by our government. This issue may become one among many in the upcoming election. This makes the chances better that someone will do something if for nothing more than political reasons.